Verboten
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Post by Verboten on Feb 7, 2012 21:38:09 GMT -5
Hmm, I'm thinking what we are trying to combine is Japanese (definite) and... Greek/Roman ideas together, though I think Cahaya has more of an idea of what were trying to say, so I shall let her speak on that matter.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 8, 2012 7:41:42 GMT -5
Mixing two very different ideas doesn't necessarily work well. As this pack is right now there is a very little chance it would be accepted. It's too cluttered, has too much working for it, and is frankly confusing.
I think you need to strip it down to the bare basics; ie. a matriarchal pack, and move from there. Don't try to incorporate cultural elements, just deal with the first concept. You guys have made way more than was needed for pack creation in the first place.
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Cahaya
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Post by Cahaya on Feb 8, 2012 13:54:01 GMT -5
I think for the main part we are combining;
- Matriarchal pack - Honour, and the idea of death before dishonour - Unique rank system, creating complicated politics, including differently-geared 'samurai' classes (mostly fighting and honour) and 'peasant' and 'slave' classes (mostly service), and different Clans within the pack that compete - A lot of ritual, ceremony, tradition, perhaps ancestor spirit beliefs
And then adding in minor aspects like;
- Sacred cherry tree - Divinity of the Kisaki - Maybe each Clan having its own subterritory - honorifics on names - The Via dictates how much power each wolf can have, eg. the daughters of wolves inheriting their rank, yet nobody having too MUCH power, in the theory/power/day-to-day-administration balance between Kisaki, Shogun and Nakamura, and in the balance between the Clans.
I think those work well together. Honour, ceremony, tradition, matriarchy, and lots of politics. The Japanese culture is more of a 'we need a culture to provide rank names and somewhere to borrow helpful symbols like cherry trees from, let's go for Japanese because it's the best fit'.
Originally there was a lot more Greek and Roman in there and the Japanese was only a minor influence; it was mostly a Roman legion with the Japanese concepts of honour stuck in there, but then I realised the Empire is a little Roman, especially with their new rank names, so I gradually changed it more and more towards being very Japanese. Similarly, when I first designed the ranks they were very Roman, each Clan functioning like a Roman legion, but by the time I presented it (first to Verb, and then to the general WW public) the Roman ideas had mostly disappeared. I think it's now safe to say that they are mostly gone from the design of the pack. Except for calling the code of honour 'the Via'.
I think I have made a mistake in repeating different points in lots of different ways and that makes everything seem confusing and jumbled. In response to what Arty said, I would condense back down to our basic rank structure and table (a little too much time spent over that to throw away THAT readily) and basic principles;
- - Matriarchy - - Honour - - Complicated politics, including interesting and unique rank system comprised of several Clans competing against one another for the high ranks' favour, and the different classes of 'royal family', 'samurai', 'peasant', 'slave' - - Ritual, ceremony and tradition, possibly including ancestor spirit beliefs - - Sacred cherry tree - - Divinity of the Kisaki - - Power balance... goes in with the 'interesting rank system' point really - - Possibly Clan-based subterritories
And rewrite the pack description to show the core values more clearly without providing distracting emphasis on all the little details -
The Gladia Circle is a pack founded on the principles of honour, following a code of honour called the Via. It is an all-female pack, believing that males do not have the subtlety of mind or strength of spirit for the Via. The Via dictates many different aspect of these wolves' lives, meaning that this is a pack of ancient ceremony, ritual and tradition. The Via calls for the wolves of the pack to respect the Kisaki, who the pack believes in descended from the Great Spirit. It also says that no one wolf should have too much power, and so a balance is created between the highest-ranked wolves and between three different Clans that compete against each other within the pack. The centre of their beliefs is their sacred cherry tree at the centre of their territory, surrounded by different areas of the land where the three Clans have influence.
Is that better?
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Post by °Crow° on Feb 8, 2012 16:40:06 GMT -5
I like this much better now! I could help with the table layout if you would like? I think you need at least four subterritories for each clan and the meeting or social area to be the center where peace and the cherry tree is. I still vote the swamp however :3
And i would put my crazy spirtual shaman in this pack if it makes it. She likes bones and herbal healing. She will also have foretelling so she would appear as someone with a connection to the great spirit. That and she likes to fight mostly for the bones xD she's to be born this sunday and maybe there could be a plot where they kidnap her since she has a growing powerful insight?
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Plume of the Eagle
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Post by Plume of the Eagle on Feb 8, 2012 21:57:14 GMT -5
Hmm, truth be told I was getting a little confused, too. Alright, so once we get some Staff feedback, we can formulate some more of the code... Also, did you like the idea of the cherry tree from the previous page, Cahaya, I think it would work well with the whole we-need-you-to-believe-us idea the wolves have, and if the wolves are already half-convinced, it would fully develop them and start the pack with a little ferocity of mind (if this gets accepted ._.)
Hmm, Crow, is this from the Citrine x Nautic litter or another one? If she's 'connected to the Spirit,' she might become a friend of the Kisaki/Empress, who might end up with a power herself, depends on my PP level. It'll probably be something small, though, and helpful to the whole Via idea.
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Cahaya
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Post by Cahaya on Feb 12, 2012 9:19:08 GMT -5
Heheh, I like the cherry tree star-dancing idea, but they'd know she's a Lumen, though. They'd probably figure it was her light powers... I think the fact that these other followers of the Kisaki are bowing down to her all the time would be enough to convince people there's SOMETHING special about her. The Kisaki's followers could explain about the Via and joiners could be inspired by the honour and stuff. And Kisaki & Co. could be convinced to bless their bloodlines and let them be Shuhan if they saved their lives. That way they'd be bound together from the start. I would love to discuss that some more but I don't think Arty wants us to discuss founding threads, judging by that Regarding Pack Creation thread, so I'mma shut up about this XD I agree the pack is much better now it's condensed. I think four subterritories for each Clan is a bit much. That would put us at 12 subterritories, even without stuff like the cherry tree. No other pack has that many. I still hate the swamp, but it appears I am overruled XDD Swamp it is. Crazy spiritual shaman sounds fun So, checklist for what we still need; - Staff feedback/approval, and to fix whatever they say needs fixing, if they say something needs fixing - Think of solution to pack table layout problem - Subterritories - PP - To make the founders - To wait a while So... subterritories? - Some sort of camp
- Sacred cherry tree
- The dangerous fighting training place, also where Minerva holds court
- Comfortable place with water source, also where Vesta holds court
- Little shadowy corner, also where Diana holds court
Ideas? How about... - Whiteflower Grove Here grows a small copse of sweetbay magnolia. Very old trees, their roots twist together under the ground to support the earth, making the ground firmer here than elsewhere in the swamp, and well above the water level. It's one of the few places that is actually dry. Here is where the Circle wolves socialise and make their dens. - Sacred Cherry Tree (Maybe they should have a better name for the tree than just 'sacred cherry tree'? Sacred Cherry Tree is a bit... obvious.) The Cherry Tree is at the centre of a clearing. Grass grows around its roots; the clearing is circled by tall cypress trees, and beyond that the swamp resumes. This is the Circle's most sacred place. Males are kept out, and lower ranks only allowed near on special occasions such as important ceremonies. It is a place of peace and of considering the Via. It is also where the Kisaki makes her den. Higher ranks may come here to consult with her or to comfort their souls with the sight of the tree. - Minerva's Island This island, a patch of dry ground surrounded by water up to most wolves' shoulders, is a dangerous place. The surrounding water is full of dangerous sinkholes, and it is rumoured that occasionally a bear visits; wolves smell the lingering scent occasionally. The pack uses it for battle training, and Minerva Clan holds court in the area. There is something of a tradition among the younger wolves, especially the lyxxi, of daring newcomers or cubs to climb the trees, not something everybody survives; they are very tall and not as strong as they look. - Vesta's River This winding river through the centre of the territory is a good source of clean water, with much less debris in it than most of the other water in the territory. The banks are full of herbs which the Kyuui uses for healing, and the Geisha also like to come here, for the calm and tranquility. Vesta Clan holds court in this peaceful area. - Diana's Marsh This marsh, full of wiry grasses and seemingly always misty, is where Diana Clan holds court. Most wolves prefer not to come here, and some are slightly creeped out by the fog and the rustling of the rushes. There is a difference between battle-courage and the kind needed to not be constantly looking over your shoulder here. However, it is full of prey, and due to the constant fog the prey finds it difficult to see or hear hunters coming for it. Borrowed a few ideas from the current Swamp subterritories XD Anybody else have any ideas?
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Post by Artemis on Feb 12, 2012 10:53:27 GMT -5
Accalia you're getting ahead of yourself. Read my post about pack creation. You need to get this approved first before you should even think about exapnding the ideas you already have.
I want you to condense your idea and tell me what it is.
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Cahaya
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Post by Cahaya on Feb 12, 2012 13:03:23 GMT -5
If you're looking for just the core of it, the pack is a matriarchal pack that values honour, ceremony and tradition.
With a little more detail, the pack is a strongly matriarchal pack that values its code of honour (the Via) above all and is quite ceremonial and traditional. It deifies its leader, the Kisaki, and has Japanese-based ranks, along with an interesting structure comprised of three separate Clans joined together in one pack. These Clans compete politically for the favour of the higher ranks, so there's a balance of power between them, and a balance of power between the different high ranks.
Or to use the form -
Name of Pack: Gladia Circle 3 Founders: Mizumi, Ameratasu, _____ Pack Colours: purple and turquoise Pack Location: Nanjiro Swamp Brief Description of Pack: The Gladia Circle is a pack founded on the principles of honour, following a code called the Via. It is an all-female pack, believing that males do not have the subtlety of mind or strength of spirit for the Via. The pack values the ancient ceremonies and traditions of its code. The pack worships their leader the Kisaki, believing she is descended from the Great Spirit. The Via also says that no one wolf should have too much power, and so a balance is created between the highest-ranked wolves and between three different Clans that compete against each other within the pack. The centre of their beliefs is their sacred cherry tree at the centre of their territory. Who is paying for the pack?: ummm ummm How would this pack benefit WW as a whole?: It brings a matriarchal pack on, not something that we currently have. It's also unique in that it follows a code of honour.
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